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There’s something of a learning curve…

Author: thenicknick

eight simple rules for dating my daughterWell, I’ve been telling everyone that I’m going through this time of self-discovery.  And there’s nothing that will raise awareness more than trying to find someone that might fit in my life.  Ultimately I want someone I can grow old with, someone to share my happiness with, but I know that I will still get older and I can be happy on my own.  I’m happy now.

Oh, but this dating thing.  I rather hate it.  Yeah. Hate is a strong word.  A mean word.  An ugly word.  A highly accurate word…

See, I do feel that strongly about dating.  And I joked in yesterday’s post that I was now ‘elimidating.’  Yes, that is where I slowly whittle down the list of prospects…constantly.  Part of my challenge is that I am determined not to settle anymore.  I mostly know what I want.  And while there are areas of compromise, there are also some areas that are non-negotiable.

I have to admit I was inspired by the concept behind John Ritter’s last television series, 8 Simple Rules… for Dating my Teenage Daughter.  So, here are some guidelines that I’ve thought about, what I’m looking for, rules for dating me, if you will.  (As if I could stop at eight…)

  1. Money is not an aphrodisiac.  It will never make up for what you lack in character.  It doesn’t impress me.  I’m not that girl.
  2. Please don’t focus on charm.  It doesn’t soothe me, instead it makes me wary.  Charm is nice, but I’ve been burned by charming men.  I’m looking for substance.
  3. You don’t know me well enough to call and/or text me at odd hours.  Not sure if it’s an odd hour?  If you have to wonder, it probably is.  Sleep is a precious and rare commodity.  Let me have some…uninterrupted.  Drop me an email if you feel so compelled to be in touch.  I check that CONSTANTLY.  It won’t wake me up, and it will keep you in my good graces.
  4. Please do not tell me about your vasectomy on our first date, or worse, in the first fifteen minutes of our first date.  I’m not sure if you think it’s a turn on, that it seals the deal, makes you more appealing, or you just want to lead with a disclaimer.  All I know for sure is that it’s too soon for me to know if I want to share my body with you for the night, let alone with your progeny for nine months.
  5. While I like thinking of future plans with you, if we’re clicking, try not to make them wildly outrageous.  (It’s always a trip!)  I have a hard time trusting people who discuss anything too far into the future even if they are interested in meeting my kids and including them.  All in good time.  There’s no rush.
  6. And while I love the idea of being spontaneous, let’s do so within reason.  Going to dinner last minute is great.  Going to The Keys on a road trip last minute…not so great.  I have kids to think about.  And I’m not so eager to get trapped in a car with someone who is for all intents and purposes Stranger Danger.  A little common sense.
  7. You really may be perfectly harmless, but I’m going to be the one to figure that out.  I will not be taking your word for it.
  8. Pushy is the biggest turn off.  Do you really want me going on a date with you because I felt forced or obligated to do so?  Do you really want to keep at me until you’ve worn me down?  This is no way to get a date let alone potentially start a relationship.
  9. I’m not going to sleep with you on the first date.  And if I was, you shouldn’t want to date me.  And if you don’t want to date me because I won’t give it up immediately, I don’t want to date you.  So there.
  10. Be a little original.  I went on the breakfast date yesterday because it was the first time a guy wanted to take me to breakfast without it being a line meant to carry over from the night before.  (That’s totally played out, by the way.)  So, yeah, I might not have normally gone out with him, but it wasn’t coffee.  Everyone wants to go out for coffee.  I don’t even drink coffee.  There was an incident in college where I drank a ridiculous amount of the stuff while trying to complete a five page paper written in French.  After it was done I lay in bed shaking, unable to go to sleep for HOURS.  I learned my lesson.  So, yeah, if you insist on a coffee date, I’ll have tea or hot chocolate.  What if instead, however, we tried something different?  Let’s grab dessert.  Or what if we meet for ice cream at the fountains?  Or what if we play a game of pool and see if we have fun?  I’ll let you push me on a swing while we talk.  Or better yet, let’s go for a walk on the Greenway.  I know.  I should be thrilled about the whole sitting in a coffee house.  Well, Saturday morning I ended up drinking hot chocolate on a sidewalk…in the drizzling rain.  I’ll do anything to avoid that again.
  11. I can’t be on the phone with you all day.  I work.  And I can’t be on the phone with you all night.  I have kids and responsibilities.  And while my kids are older and don’t need me as much, I need to be there for them.  I genuinely like them.  I enjoy spending time with them, talking to them, being involved in their lives.  And I need you to understand that without thinking I’m blowing you off or ignoring you.
  12. Work harder at getting to know me than you are at getting in my pants.  I’m more than worth the effort, I promise.

I probably could have thought up some more if I had taken a little more time.  At the same time, I was starting to feel like Martin Luther with his thesis.  I don’t think I’m being that difficult or expecting that much.  Of course, I have been wrong before.  And maybe I am just looking at this from the female perspective.  That’s why I’m hoping more of you will weigh in.  Are there key things I’m missing?  Could you offer a male perspective on this whole dating thing?

I can’t wait to hear from you!

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16 Responses to “There’s something of a learning curve…”

December 6th, 2009 at 1:49 am

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December 6th, 2009 at 2:46 am

Travis says:

Dating has to officially be the suckiest thing. I didn’t have to do it for 15 years… and now, I’m like okay, I know what I want. I don’t want games. I will treat you like the person you are. And with respect.

What I get tired of, is how when I explain who I am, and we start talking about things I’m passionate about and what a relationship means to me, I get the, “And why was your ex so stupid?”

I see more women who have been so poorly treated by men, that it becomes difficult as I’m seen to be a fake… Yeah, I have proof, I have the “There-are-good-guys-left” card right here. :)

Ah yes, but here is the thing with your list. If a guy has to read it and make sure he follows it, he is going to be fake. This fits under, “If you have to ask, then move along” category. Everything you’ve described should be followed if they have respect for you, with out any guidance. And he should take a little bit of time to gain the foresight needed and be patient.

We are the single carefree people of our 20’s. We have jobs, lives and responsibilities that they need to respectful of.

It’s too bad really that there are men out there like that.

What am I doing posting this at 1:45 on a Sunday morning? Awake is the new sleep. :D

December 6th, 2009 at 3:19 am

StudentMama says:

First time poster. = )

I am learning this very thing as I go through my own journey. The dating game is hard…especially when the guy doesn’t have kids or understand that you have a relationship with your ex (sigh).

I say – certainly everything you described is reasonable. Number 10 is one that I could be flexible about. Original is awesome, but sometimes I can take cliche over not thoughtful at all.

One other thing that I’ve noticed is if a guy mentions his woes about his ex – red flag. We all have baggage but if it’s so full that you have to mention her early on…I think that’s a key there is not room in your life for me.

I have other pet peeves, but I think a lot of yours are common things to watch out for!

December 6th, 2009 at 7:23 am

thenicknick says:

Travis, I truly believe there are good guys left or I wouldn’t bother dating AT ALL. I was kind of hoping that most of the list was common sense for the good guys, as you have alluded to. I’m just hoping that some of these experiences aren’t going to leave me so jaded that I don’t recognize the good one when I finally meet him. Wish me luck?

December 6th, 2009 at 7:26 am

thenicknick says:

Well, Student Mama, you’re probably right about number 10. I can get a bit greedy. I think the bad date had a lot to do with it. Funny that you should call it the ‘dating game’ since games are supposed to be fun! Well, we’ll have to keep looking, huh? And I fully agree about the red flags with the bringing up the ex.

Look forward to getting to know you better!

December 6th, 2009 at 9:17 am

saint nobody says:

You’ve hit it out of the park, nicknick! I related to pretty much every point (except the coffee aversion–coffee is very important to me). I feel that your key audience is women who have had to deal with all of the “don’ts” you mention, and those who want to avoid them–it’s truly sad that we have to learn (often the hard way) what to look out for. Many of these things I have not seen written about elsewhere (and believe me, I’ve read all the dating advice out there and even bought Paige Parker’s e-book “Dating Without Drama,” which is a great place to start–not a paid endorsement).

The trip thing is so true–the guy involved in the crazy dating story I told you talked about going to Europe on our third date (which was a performance of the Canterbury Cathedral Choir at my church, argh). And I laughed at the Luther reference.

I’m so glad I found your blog–thanks for nailing this articulate, witty and wise post to the virtual door!

December 6th, 2009 at 9:19 am

saint nobody says:

P.S. How is it you are up and at ‘em so early on Sunday morning without coffee? :)

December 6th, 2009 at 9:43 am

thenicknick says:

Hot tea. I have an IV drip. ;)

December 6th, 2009 at 9:44 am

thenicknick says:

Okay. I was beginning to worry I was coming off bitchy. Thanks for making me feel better about it, and getting the reference. Read the email. Loved it! Made me feel less alone in the dating trenches. Thanks!

December 6th, 2009 at 10:14 am

Jolene says:

This was so funny, yet so right on, in many spots, love this post (first time poster too!)…especially the term elimidating. I’m going to have to borrow that one ;-)

December 6th, 2009 at 10:28 am

thenicknick says:

Jolene, glad you liked it. I’m notorious for building my own language, hence the glossary. Enjoy!

December 6th, 2009 at 11:01 am

Meredith says:

Not only do I think you’re not asking too much, I think you could stand to ask for more. ;) When it comes to someone you’d like to grow old with, you’re well within your rights to be finicky.

Coffee and I aren’t exactly good friends. Every so often, a strong bit of it with tons of milk and sugar are fine, but then I get the shakes (caffeine + lots of sugar = bad). Now, I can drink my tea without milk or sugar, although I prefer a splash of milk with a small spoonful of sugar. Not too much sugar, just the right amount of caffeine, tons of antioxidants, and toasty warm. Oh! And hot chocolate? Yesterday, I made a fabulous find. Swiss Miss has this dark chocolate variety. I dare say it’s even better than regular hot chocolate. It was so rich and chocolate-y, and seeing as how it’s still only 49 degrees outside I’m tempted to have another cup now. Yum!

December 6th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

thenicknick says:

Meredith, I’m way ahead of you on the Swiss Miss dark chocolate. I’ve been drinking it for years. SOOOOO GOOOOD.

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December 30th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

Hicknerd says:

Really enjoyed your blog. As a “suddenly single” myself, I have not jumped into the dating pool yet. But for some reason, I had considered that I would make sure any potential date knew that I had a vasectomy early on. My thought was that I would be wasting her time if she wanted children.
But I’ll rethink that one. Your date was obviously a headcase and I can see how some men might use a vasectomy as a point in their favor. The problem with rules is there always seems to be an exception. Anyway, thanks for the pointer on that issue. I won’t bring it up unless she starts talking about wanting kids.

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